The only exception perhaps is when someone is disfigured. For example, a woman who has a mastectomy. I can understand plastic surgery after that. Putting things back the way they were -- after medically necessary changes. But most of the time that's not the case.
Celebrities that run out and get plastic surgery 9 times out of 10 end up looking MUCH worse than if they just got old naturally.
There's nothing wrong with getting old, it happens to us all. Those who try to stave it off, are admitting that beauty is all they ever truly possessed anyway, or at the very least, they must feel that they have no intellectual contribution worth recognition.
Do most women really want to be remembered as Betty Boop? Because that's not very attractive. 😑
Men who want to start and grow a family find competent women attractive, not simply women that are "hot." You can't start a family [successfully] with a fool. Well you can, but you'll never be happy being a father to your wife AND kids. If so, you have serious issues, and your kids likely will as well.
Of course most men will never admit this, but it is true in most cases.
Feminism has made life for modern western women a paradoxical nightmare. You have to be everything all the time. You're expected to be attractive all the time, but you're also not supposed to do things (like being attractive) -- for men?
It's feminist ideology that makes many western women such basket cases. It's NOT because of what men "demand" of women -- it's what feminists tell women that men demand of them. I say this because many women want to be "free and powerful" yet still want to have children. Sorry, but with the exception of artificial insemination, that's not usually the case. For a woman to be free and powerful requires an enormous amount of time -- just as it does for a man. Time that children otherwise would require.
A "free and powerful" man likely will never have time for his children either. That's just the way things go. To be free and powerful means sacrificing your family life either way -- for a man or a woman. Of course there exceptions, but they are very rare.
It's all about what someone really wants. In the majority of people's lives there are forks which determine which path you might take. It's at those critical moments that one must decide which path they would *really* like to take. All too often, people take the "fun" path, and realize too late that they feel hollow. Or they take the path of marriage and children and feel trapped.
Life offers us opportunities in a non-linear fashion. Few people are going to know which way to go when they arrive at that pivotal moment. One must keep in mind where they see themselves when she becomes a cutoff point. Perhaps then, one might have a better idea of which path they should take.
Denial of reality always leads to bad outcomes. Nobody can live up to impossible standards.
Beyond a certain age, when people get cosmetic surgery, they end up looking kind of “embalmed.” It’s to the point where I start to wonder if cosmetic surgeons and morticians use any of the same techniques?
That’s true! I’ve never thought about it that way before.
Perhaps the techniques are not that dissimilar? I know that morticians have a hard time because when people are laying down, they often look much different than when they are standing up. That’s why they need pictures of the deceased so they can attempt to make them look more natural for a viewing.
So very sad, it's too bad, some people believe that how they look is all they have. back in the 1960's and 70's if i recall right, healthy, was the goal, vibrant, vivacious, and fun. A great personality, or a sense of humor, can beat a pretty face- in the long term fight for affection. I concluded then, that "perfection" was only for inanimate objects, living things were always moving, always changing. Fluid. a moment fixed in time could be perfect, but life, does not stop time, so why fight it? Somehow these people decided that was the way to be loved. But, The Aphrodite stage is brief, so, looking for deeper things. Experiences of connection, of bonding that are lasting, not based of how you look, is a longer term plan. I have not found men to be nearly that picky. Generally.
The 70s had an organic zeitgeist that was devoured by the nihilistic materialism of the 80s. The sad thing about it was that the seeds of nihilism and extreme greed were already there throughout the 70s, and it was the worst of them that were watered and nurtured to maturity.
I notice that men for the most part think they are far more appealing than they actually are and women think of themselves as less appealing than they actually are. When men find out they truly are repulsive to women, some get angry and bitter, hence incels and the manosphere. Most normal men settle for the first semi-decent woman who will take them the second male pattern baldness starts visiting their heads.
Young women (and sadly many older ones these days) truly do not know how to project real confidence, as they are always embroiled in a game of covering their deficiencies with makeup, hairstyles, clothing, etc. Millennials and Gen Z have taken obsession with hair and makeup to new heights, but it does not help that insecure Gen X women like Christina Aguilera and Gwen Stefani have been leading the charge by getting surgery after surgery in a desperate bid to stay "young". These women have very few role models.
Nihilistic materialism? if t existed it was media driven. and every commercial is aimed at making women deeply and profoundly insecure. on every level. I even fell for it a little, but never all the way. the hand that rocks the cradle truly does rule the world. Mae west is a good study for this kind of trauma. she the same problems as modern women. it was very sad, and i noticed it then. The crone was erased from culture, the mothers was belittled and denied any worth, leaving only the young women to be targeted and exploited. AI will replace her. C.S. lewis has a quote, " the homemaker has the ultimate career. All other careers exist for one purpose only, and that is to support the ultimate career." women are all important. the center of everything human.
OMG the Enjoli commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_kzJ-f5C9U Ugh it was so cringe. I remember the perfume too -- it smelled terrible. Enjoli lasts 8 hours? That would be 7.999 hours too many. That was the beginning of the media obviously putting women in the financial hot seat. She was expected to do EVERYTHING... bring home the bacon (make the money), fry it (cook), and never let him forget he is a man (somehow have the energy leftover to be a tigress in the bedroom). Watching it makes me want to scream OH JUST LEAVE US ALONE.
Any woman who is responsible and middle or lower middle class lives it every day! I also know quite a few upper middle class Power Moms who honestly do quite a good job of "having it all" but the fatigue for these women is insane. It is not something I would put up with -- personally I would much rather be lower middle class than work myself to the bone like they do, and that's exactly why I am lower middle class!
i am not a tick tocker, so, i have no idea about this. are they showing cool clever ways to do stuff? are they seeking male approval, do you think? I mean, knowing the bulk of their viewers would explain what market slice they are going for really.
I don't follow any of them -- I mostly know of them from editorials and commentaries. I think they are seeking female approval more than male approval. They are almost always fundie Christian mothers who cosplay 1950s, idealized homemaker roles and create elaborate, impractical recipes. One famous one hand-rolls and bakes pellets of homemade sugary cereal for her kids instead of just going out and buying it. She also makes chewing gum out of chicle and essential oils. It's bizarre. One is a naive, naturally busty blonde who tries to give younger women advice about how to be feminine and traditional so they can land a good man. She means well.
What's wrong with you Kimberly? There ain't nothing in Room 237, and you ain't got no business going in there anyway, so stay out! You understand, stay out!
Standing ovation. More people need to call a spade a spade on this topic. Every day on the Internet I am greeted by another ad for weight loss drugs from a different company that previously ostensibly pledged itself to serving women’s HEALTH in a wholesome way. Noom, the “loving” weight loss program that taught you to lose weight without starving through kind and thoughtful psychological lessons—is now hocking Ozempic. Hers.com, created to serve women’s mental heath: now hocking Ozempic. Btw, I’ve never been overweight a day in my life, and yet somehow the internet understands that I am a woman, and certainly ALL women need to starve! A friend of mine whom I love has a lot of money and a lot of plastic surgery. She refers to her plastic surgery as a “fun adventure” in “being who she wants to be.” It was a fun adventure to have your body cut apart to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars? It is not insubstantial to have your chest sliced open and implants shoved inside. It is not insubstantial to have your nose broken and reconfigured so you can be “cuter.” It is not insubstantial to have every one of your perfectly-healthy teeth filed down into monstrous nubs so they can fit fake Chiclet teeth on top. If I see another celebrity starved and snatched and yet celebrated for that vanity-serving self-harm, I’ll scream. I’m 43. Will I go to hell if I don’t use Botox? I do know I will certainly fall behind. I recently asked my (all-female) client base what they do for their skin. They listed “facials” that cost thousands as calmly as a grocery list. I did the calculations and realized that my clients are spending at least $5k a year…on facials??? That’s…a whole beach trip with your family kinda money. This shit is beyond sad; it’s a prison. Somebody wake up. EVERYBODY, WAKE UP!
Thank you, Lindsay. I had no idea about Noom and Ozempic. That is quite disgusting. Hers.com going over to the Ozempic trend just proves to me how owned the media is by Big Pharma. I have had friends who have opted for quite a bit of plastic surgery and fillers and it never looks right up close. They go through all of the motions to do this and yes, it’s brutal and painful. It is the modern version of foot binding. If that is what they see as fun and adventure, please leave me out, I’d rather be boring.
I’m a bit ahead of you, I’m 51 and I went through menopause at 49. I will never get any of that crap done to my face. I am letting my hair gray naturally. I cut it myself and not very often, so that’s why it is almost to my waist. I have jowls and pronounced nasolabial folds, my lips are thinning, and my hyperpigmentation is definitely ramping up. I do not care. I look fine. I am fortunate to have had the good looks that I did while I was young. That’s over now and my mind turns to other things. I have to say it is a bit of a relief no longer be viewed as sexually attractive as I used to be. Nonetheless, women feel imprisoned by the imaginary desires of men, when it is actually their own view of themselves projected through men’s eyes. When a man used to truly desire me upon first glance, I found it repulsive most of the time. The only reason why I ever wanted to be attractive was to get the “right one”. We women tend to be serial monogamists, whereas men are wired to be serial polygamists. Of course this is not all women, some women are just generally polygamous, but on the whole, we tend to like our men one at a time.
I love to hear that! Please keep me posted on your experiences. I have had some interesting conversations with trees. Once some trees around a manufactured lake told me about how a guy had accidentally tumbled his short riding mower directly into the water… he was lucky not to be hurt but the trees said the mower was toast.
Oh my friend I am reminded of a quote from my fav star, Audrey Hepburn! I think it goes something like this :
“ For beautiful eyes, look for the good in others; for beautiful lips speak only words of kindness; and for poise walk with the knowledge that you are never alone.”
We must first get rid of the "Fat is beautiful" nonsense and force young women to look good. Most young women are chubby, ugly slobs and still get thousands of matches on tinder and think they deserve a 6ft chad boyfriend.
Plastic surgery is almost never a good idea.
The only exception perhaps is when someone is disfigured. For example, a woman who has a mastectomy. I can understand plastic surgery after that. Putting things back the way they were -- after medically necessary changes. But most of the time that's not the case.
Celebrities that run out and get plastic surgery 9 times out of 10 end up looking MUCH worse than if they just got old naturally.
There's nothing wrong with getting old, it happens to us all. Those who try to stave it off, are admitting that beauty is all they ever truly possessed anyway, or at the very least, they must feel that they have no intellectual contribution worth recognition.
Do most women really want to be remembered as Betty Boop? Because that's not very attractive. 😑
Men who want to start and grow a family find competent women attractive, not simply women that are "hot." You can't start a family [successfully] with a fool. Well you can, but you'll never be happy being a father to your wife AND kids. If so, you have serious issues, and your kids likely will as well.
Of course most men will never admit this, but it is true in most cases.
Feminism has made life for modern western women a paradoxical nightmare. You have to be everything all the time. You're expected to be attractive all the time, but you're also not supposed to do things (like being attractive) -- for men?
It's feminist ideology that makes many western women such basket cases. It's NOT because of what men "demand" of women -- it's what feminists tell women that men demand of them. I say this because many women want to be "free and powerful" yet still want to have children. Sorry, but with the exception of artificial insemination, that's not usually the case. For a woman to be free and powerful requires an enormous amount of time -- just as it does for a man. Time that children otherwise would require.
A "free and powerful" man likely will never have time for his children either. That's just the way things go. To be free and powerful means sacrificing your family life either way -- for a man or a woman. Of course there exceptions, but they are very rare.
It's all about what someone really wants. In the majority of people's lives there are forks which determine which path you might take. It's at those critical moments that one must decide which path they would *really* like to take. All too often, people take the "fun" path, and realize too late that they feel hollow. Or they take the path of marriage and children and feel trapped.
Life offers us opportunities in a non-linear fashion. Few people are going to know which way to go when they arrive at that pivotal moment. One must keep in mind where they see themselves when she becomes a cutoff point. Perhaps then, one might have a better idea of which path they should take.
Denial of reality always leads to bad outcomes. Nobody can live up to impossible standards.
Beyond a certain age, when people get cosmetic surgery, they end up looking kind of “embalmed.” It’s to the point where I start to wonder if cosmetic surgeons and morticians use any of the same techniques?
There is a great deal of fluid injected under the skin in both cases…
That’s true! I’ve never thought about it that way before.
Perhaps the techniques are not that dissimilar? I know that morticians have a hard time because when people are laying down, they often look much different than when they are standing up. That’s why they need pictures of the deceased so they can attempt to make them look more natural for a viewing.
Add to this of letting A.I. win all of the athletic competitions. :)
They can compete naked like the ancient Greek Olympics!
Well, if they look to human though...R-Rated Olympics? lol
So very sad, it's too bad, some people believe that how they look is all they have. back in the 1960's and 70's if i recall right, healthy, was the goal, vibrant, vivacious, and fun. A great personality, or a sense of humor, can beat a pretty face- in the long term fight for affection. I concluded then, that "perfection" was only for inanimate objects, living things were always moving, always changing. Fluid. a moment fixed in time could be perfect, but life, does not stop time, so why fight it? Somehow these people decided that was the way to be loved. But, The Aphrodite stage is brief, so, looking for deeper things. Experiences of connection, of bonding that are lasting, not based of how you look, is a longer term plan. I have not found men to be nearly that picky. Generally.
The 70s had an organic zeitgeist that was devoured by the nihilistic materialism of the 80s. The sad thing about it was that the seeds of nihilism and extreme greed were already there throughout the 70s, and it was the worst of them that were watered and nurtured to maturity.
I notice that men for the most part think they are far more appealing than they actually are and women think of themselves as less appealing than they actually are. When men find out they truly are repulsive to women, some get angry and bitter, hence incels and the manosphere. Most normal men settle for the first semi-decent woman who will take them the second male pattern baldness starts visiting their heads.
Young women (and sadly many older ones these days) truly do not know how to project real confidence, as they are always embroiled in a game of covering their deficiencies with makeup, hairstyles, clothing, etc. Millennials and Gen Z have taken obsession with hair and makeup to new heights, but it does not help that insecure Gen X women like Christina Aguilera and Gwen Stefani have been leading the charge by getting surgery after surgery in a desperate bid to stay "young". These women have very few role models.
Nihilistic materialism? if t existed it was media driven. and every commercial is aimed at making women deeply and profoundly insecure. on every level. I even fell for it a little, but never all the way. the hand that rocks the cradle truly does rule the world. Mae west is a good study for this kind of trauma. she the same problems as modern women. it was very sad, and i noticed it then. The crone was erased from culture, the mothers was belittled and denied any worth, leaving only the young women to be targeted and exploited. AI will replace her. C.S. lewis has a quote, " the homemaker has the ultimate career. All other careers exist for one purpose only, and that is to support the ultimate career." women are all important. the center of everything human.
OMG the Enjoli commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_kzJ-f5C9U Ugh it was so cringe. I remember the perfume too -- it smelled terrible. Enjoli lasts 8 hours? That would be 7.999 hours too many. That was the beginning of the media obviously putting women in the financial hot seat. She was expected to do EVERYTHING... bring home the bacon (make the money), fry it (cook), and never let him forget he is a man (somehow have the energy leftover to be a tigress in the bedroom). Watching it makes me want to scream OH JUST LEAVE US ALONE.
yep, i remember that. a totally unfair expectation.
Any woman who is responsible and middle or lower middle class lives it every day! I also know quite a few upper middle class Power Moms who honestly do quite a good job of "having it all" but the fatigue for these women is insane. It is not something I would put up with -- personally I would much rather be lower middle class than work myself to the bone like they do, and that's exactly why I am lower middle class!
homemaking has nothing to do with looks or youth, competency is what is required.
That is what is so sad about TikTok/Insta trad wives. If they were not young and cute, nobody would pay attention to them.
i am not a tick tocker, so, i have no idea about this. are they showing cool clever ways to do stuff? are they seeking male approval, do you think? I mean, knowing the bulk of their viewers would explain what market slice they are going for really.
I don't follow any of them -- I mostly know of them from editorials and commentaries. I think they are seeking female approval more than male approval. They are almost always fundie Christian mothers who cosplay 1950s, idealized homemaker roles and create elaborate, impractical recipes. One famous one hand-rolls and bakes pellets of homemade sugary cereal for her kids instead of just going out and buying it. She also makes chewing gum out of chicle and essential oils. It's bizarre. One is a naive, naturally busty blonde who tries to give younger women advice about how to be feminine and traditional so they can land a good man. She means well.
awe, well, i wish them well.
We all know beauty when we see it
and sometimes it looks like the feeling of being loved.
As an aging meat woman, it is oddly liberating to know that we’ve already lost. I’m going to go outside and enjoy life with my baby now.
By cutting your losses in the beauty game, you win far more wealth than those still playing will ever know about.
Well hopefully the ents are still chatty this time of year. It's getting cold.
From my experience, they like an infusion of human energy this time of year because they store it much like squirrels store acorns over the winter.
What's wrong with you Kimberly? There ain't nothing in Room 237, and you ain't got no business going in there anyway, so stay out! You understand, stay out!
But I’m curious!! LOL
Standing ovation. More people need to call a spade a spade on this topic. Every day on the Internet I am greeted by another ad for weight loss drugs from a different company that previously ostensibly pledged itself to serving women’s HEALTH in a wholesome way. Noom, the “loving” weight loss program that taught you to lose weight without starving through kind and thoughtful psychological lessons—is now hocking Ozempic. Hers.com, created to serve women’s mental heath: now hocking Ozempic. Btw, I’ve never been overweight a day in my life, and yet somehow the internet understands that I am a woman, and certainly ALL women need to starve! A friend of mine whom I love has a lot of money and a lot of plastic surgery. She refers to her plastic surgery as a “fun adventure” in “being who she wants to be.” It was a fun adventure to have your body cut apart to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars? It is not insubstantial to have your chest sliced open and implants shoved inside. It is not insubstantial to have your nose broken and reconfigured so you can be “cuter.” It is not insubstantial to have every one of your perfectly-healthy teeth filed down into monstrous nubs so they can fit fake Chiclet teeth on top. If I see another celebrity starved and snatched and yet celebrated for that vanity-serving self-harm, I’ll scream. I’m 43. Will I go to hell if I don’t use Botox? I do know I will certainly fall behind. I recently asked my (all-female) client base what they do for their skin. They listed “facials” that cost thousands as calmly as a grocery list. I did the calculations and realized that my clients are spending at least $5k a year…on facials??? That’s…a whole beach trip with your family kinda money. This shit is beyond sad; it’s a prison. Somebody wake up. EVERYBODY, WAKE UP!
Thank you, Lindsay. I had no idea about Noom and Ozempic. That is quite disgusting. Hers.com going over to the Ozempic trend just proves to me how owned the media is by Big Pharma. I have had friends who have opted for quite a bit of plastic surgery and fillers and it never looks right up close. They go through all of the motions to do this and yes, it’s brutal and painful. It is the modern version of foot binding. If that is what they see as fun and adventure, please leave me out, I’d rather be boring.
I’m a bit ahead of you, I’m 51 and I went through menopause at 49. I will never get any of that crap done to my face. I am letting my hair gray naturally. I cut it myself and not very often, so that’s why it is almost to my waist. I have jowls and pronounced nasolabial folds, my lips are thinning, and my hyperpigmentation is definitely ramping up. I do not care. I look fine. I am fortunate to have had the good looks that I did while I was young. That’s over now and my mind turns to other things. I have to say it is a bit of a relief no longer be viewed as sexually attractive as I used to be. Nonetheless, women feel imprisoned by the imaginary desires of men, when it is actually their own view of themselves projected through men’s eyes. When a man used to truly desire me upon first glance, I found it repulsive most of the time. The only reason why I ever wanted to be attractive was to get the “right one”. We women tend to be serial monogamists, whereas men are wired to be serial polygamists. Of course this is not all women, some women are just generally polygamous, but on the whole, we tend to like our men one at a time.
I keep seeing the Dr Seuss effect in faces and noses.
Is that where they end up with a long philtrum?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDCo8ZCvgQ4/?igsh=dGZtNDQ0bGg2ZHE=
Definitely going to integrate the druid tree ritual. Wish i had heard of it sooner. Also, grounding morning and night at sunrise and sunset!
I love to hear that! Please keep me posted on your experiences. I have had some interesting conversations with trees. Once some trees around a manufactured lake told me about how a guy had accidentally tumbled his short riding mower directly into the water… he was lucky not to be hurt but the trees said the mower was toast.
Oh my friend I am reminded of a quote from my fav star, Audrey Hepburn! I think it goes something like this :
“ For beautiful eyes, look for the good in others; for beautiful lips speak only words of kindness; and for poise walk with the knowledge that you are never alone.”
Oh my goodness, I love that. Stealing!
If you bother to listen trees have a lot to say. Nice article. Thanks.
Thank you!
I absolutely love meatworld, mainly because I just found out it’s called meatworld ;-)
I love it too even though it sucks!
We must first get rid of the "Fat is beautiful" nonsense and force young women to look good. Most young women are chubby, ugly slobs and still get thousands of matches on tinder and think they deserve a 6ft chad boyfriend.
The world needs more beautiful women, not less.
Wow you have a perfect moniker for your sentiments!! lol Based Manlet?!🤣
I recall this guy in the East married a woman then he came across a picture she had.
Asked who it was, "that was me before surgery".
To her horror he filed for divorce first chance he got.
Yikes for both of them.